[minutes] BPWG Teleconference 2010-06-08

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[minutes] BPWG Teleconference 2010-06-08

Francois Daoust
Hi,

The minutes of today's meeting are available at:
  http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-bpwg-minutes.html

... and copied as text below:


Resolved today on the Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies:
- no change on mandating the public disclosure of an implementation
conformance statement, as it is required to "claim" conformance (in
public) and not to "be conformant". The clarification that this only
applies to public claims may be added by the editor if so requested
during the upcoming transition call.

We're still looking for implementation reports on the Mobile Web
Application Best Practices.

Thanks,
Francois.

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08 Jun 2010

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Jun/0004.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-bpwg-irc

Attendees

    Present
           jo, miguel, francois, yeliz, SeanP, adam, EdC

    Regrets
           Kai

    Chair
           Jo

    Scribe
           SeanP

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]MWABP
          2. [6]CT Guidelines
          3. [7]AOB
      * [8]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________

MWABP

    Jo: Anything there?

    Adam: Nothing from me.

    Jo: How far do we need to go on this?

    Adam: There need to be 2 implementations. We have only been counting
    multiple implementations within Google as one implementation.
    ... Numbers would look better if we counted the multiple projects in
    Google as multiples.

    Francois: An implementation is independent, so different projects
    from different teams in Google could be different implementations.
    ... In practice it would be better to get some different
    implementations outside of Google.\
    ... There is no policy against counting multiple implemetations
    inside Google; in practice it wouldn't look so good if all of the
    implementations were from Google.

    Adam: We need to highlight which BPs we need more implementations
    on.

    <francois> [9]Latest MWABP implementation report

       [9] http://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report.html

    <EdC> Are these the most "advanced" or "recent" best practices?

    <EdC> I mean, those that are in question.

    Adam: If we take the view that implementations within Google are
    independent, then we have something like 2 best practices missing.
    If we don't, then we have around 10.

    Jo: It's most important to cover the 1.5 implementations.

    Francois: It is most important to cover the 1.
    ... W3C implementations normally don't count.

    Adam: There was a guy from W3C in Israel that was going to
    contribute?

    Jo: We just need to push for more implementation reports and get all
    we can.

CT Guidelines

    Francois: It is a bit unusual to mandate the public disclosing of an
    conformance statement. The should be allowed to implement it in
    private and not disclose it.
    ... The way we have defined it is that if someone claims conformance
    (in public), then they need to publish a conformance statement.
    ... One change we could make is to say something about how to claim
    conformance.

    EdC: I think I basically agree with Francois.
    ... We can keep it as it is.

    Jo: When we have the transition call, are we going to be asked to
    make a wording change? Do we need to add public or formal or
    something like that to the wording?
    ... In summary, if we are asked to make a wording change, that won't
    be a problem for anyone.

    <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Ref. the need to publish an
    implementation conformance statement, we note that we take "to claim
    conformance" to mean "to claim conformance in public". We don't feel
    that it is necessary to clarify that in the guidelines. The group
    considers the change as editorial and the editor will make it if
    requested to do so during the transition call.

    <jo> +1

    +1

    <miguel> +1

    <EdC> +1

    <francois> +1

    <adam> +1

    RESOLUTION: Ref. the need to publish an implementation conformance
    statement, we note that we take "to claim conformance" to mean "to
    claim conformance in public". We don't feel that it is necessary to
    clarify that in the guidelines. The group considers the change as
    editorial and the editor will make it if requested to do so during
    the transition call.

    Francois: The point may be larger than that. The main push back will
    be on the lack of a test suite.

    <EdC> Ok, would the answer not be that a public claim of conformance
    means publish an ICS -- which is a minimum requirement for the
    public to check.

    Jo: Sean, you were looking into creating some tests.

    <francois> [yes, EdC, the problem being that we should not rely on
    the public, but should rather provide a real test suite]

    <francois> [but it's still better than nothing]

    SeanP: I looked into whether I would have time to do some work on a
    test suite and it looks like I will have some time here and there
    but not a huge amount, so I'll try to do something on the test
    suite.

    <EdC> [which brings us to the point I raised regarding having at
    least a process in place to let additional test cases be contributed
    later on...]

    Jo: So, Francois, is this somthing we can use on the transition
    call?

    <EdC> When does the TC take place exactly?

    Jo: What are are processes for working on this beyond the end of the
    working group?

    Francois: There is none really.
    ... There is no precedent for a working group that ended whose test
    suite was picked up by some other working group or XG, etc.

    Jo: We need to have a transition call and report back to the group
    in next week's call.

AOB

    <francois> [Transition call should be on Thursday afternoon EU time,
    EdC]

Summary of Action Items

    [End of minutes]