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Marc Haunschild
Hi everybody,

I want to integrate an iframe into an accessible site.

As far as I know, this can be inconvenient for people using screenreaders. I found some comments about that, most of them quite old. For me it is very difficult to use a screenreader at all. So I do not know, how it feels for a everyday screenreader user, to navigate on a page with an iframe.

To make one thing clear: it's about two or three iframes on a site, never more than one on a single page.

For example it would be a great thing to build one single contact form and use it in a lot of sites via https.

So is this still a problem today?

Thanks for your answers!

Marc

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FW: iframes

Andy Keyworth

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From: Andy Keyworth [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: August-08-14 11:23 AM
To: 'Marc Haunschild'
Subject: RE: iframes

Hi Marc,

While I cannot personally report from the experience of a an everyday screen reader user, I did a little checking for curiosity's sake: it seems that iframes can be considered accessible, so long as they are implemented well.

Some points I found are that title attributes for the iframes can be helpful, and that the scrolling attribute should not be disabled.

The references I found immediately are:

http://accessibility.psu.edu/frames

http://webaim.org/techniques/frames/

Cheers,

Andy Keyworth
Senior Web Accessibility Specialist
T-Base Communications
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Haunschild [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: August-08-14 11:03 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: iframes

Hi everybody,

I want to integrate an iframe into an accessible site.

As far as I know, this can be inconvenient for people using screenreaders. I found some comments about that, most of them quite old. For me it is very difficult to use a screenreader at all. So I do not know, how it feels for a everyday screenreader user, to navigate on a page with an iframe.

To make one thing clear: it's about two or three iframes on a site, never more than one on a single page.

For example it would be a great thing to build one single contact form and use it in a lot of sites via https.

So is this still a problem today?

Thanks for your answers!

Marc


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Re: iframes

Marc Haunschild
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I already got some answers - thnak you. But I think I have to add one thing to my initial post: I know that iframes are allowed. They can be used in screenreaders. But there have been some inconveniences anyway.

For example a screenreader tells you how many headers a page includes - except the headlines in the iframe. This I found in posts older than 5 years. So I wonder if this still is a problem - or not.

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> Von: "Marc Haunschild" <[hidden email]>
> An: [hidden email]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. August 2014 17:02:39
> Betreff: iframes
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I want to integrate an iframe into an accessible site.
>
> As far as I know, this can be inconvenient for people using
> screenreaders. I found some comments about that, most of them quite
> old. For me it is very difficult to use a screenreader at all. So I
> do not know, how it feels for a everyday screenreader user, to
> navigate on a page with an iframe.
>
> To make one thing clear: it's about two or three iframes on a site,
> never more than one on a single page.
>
> For example it would be a great thing to build one single contact
> form and use it in a lot of sites via https.
>
> So is this still a problem today?
>
> Thanks for your answers!
>
> Marc

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Re: iframes

Ramón Corominas
Hello, Marc.

In relity, the iframe and its contents are read like any other content
in the page, for example, content within a <div>. The only difference is
that the user can browse to the iframe (for example, using the "M" key
in JAWS), and the title of the iframe is announced when the user
navigates to it. If the user reads the content with the up/down arrow
keys, the iframe start and end are announced using the title, something
like "My title frame, inline frame" (I'm using the Spanish version so I
don't know the exact words it uses in English).

So, you only have to ensure that the contents of the iframe follow the
main structure (for example, start with <h2> to follow the <h1> in the
container page and so on). Of course, this applies to any other content
that you could put inside the iframe.

Regards,
Ramón.

Marc wrote:

> I already got some answers - thnak you. But I think I have to add one thing to my initial post: I know that iframes are allowed. They can be used in screenreaders. But there have been some inconveniences anyway.
>
> For example a screenreader tells you how many headers a page includes - except the headlines in the iframe. This I found in posts older than 5 years. So I wonder if this still is a problem - or not.


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Re: iframes

Marc Haunschild
This helps a lot, thx Ramón!

Am 09.08.14 20:47, schrieb Ramón Corominas:

> Hello, Marc.
>
> In relity, the iframe and its contents are read like any other content
> in the page, for example, content within a <div>. The only difference is
> that the user can browse to the iframe (for example, using the "M" key
> in JAWS), and the title of the iframe is announced when the user
> navigates to it. If the user reads the content with the up/down arrow
> keys, the iframe start and end are announced using the title, something
> like "My title frame, inline frame" (I'm using the Spanish version so I
> don't know the exact words it uses in English).
>
> So, you only have to ensure that the contents of the iframe follow the
> main structure (for example, start with <h2> to follow the <h1> in the
> container page and so on). Of course, this applies to any other content
> that you could put inside the iframe.
>
> Regards,
> Ramón.
>
> Marc wrote:
>
>> I already got some answers - thnak you. But I think I have to add one
>> thing to my initial post: I know that iframes are allowed. They can be
>> used in screenreaders. But there have been some inconveniences anyway.
>>
>> For example a screenreader tells you how many headers a page includes
>> - except the headlines in the iframe. This I found in posts older than
>> 5 years. So I wonder if this still is a problem - or not.
>
>



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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

i. A. Marc Haunschild
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________________________________________
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Bundesanstalt für Landwirtschaft und Ernährung
Deichmanns Aue 29, 53179 Bonn
Telefon: +49 (0)228 996845-7324
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