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Re: Standardization of WS-Eventing

Steve Holbrook

IBM remains committed to use of the OASIS Standard WS-Notification 1.3 as the interoperability standard for enabling a broad range of applications that include publish/subscribe and event notification in the context of business and complex event processing scenarios. However, we are supportive of the W3C standardization of WS-Eventing because we appreciate that some in the Web Services community are using it in certain domains such as device management and we are interested in ensuring that such a standard compose effectively with other Web services specifications including WS-Notification.

Steve Holbrook
IBM AC Rep
-------------------------------------------------------------
IBM program director, emerging sw stds
USA: 1.877.251.8543 - Int'l: +1.801.607.3040


Steve Holbrook wrote on 07/24/2008 06:51:16 PM:
>
> IBM confirms this submission of the newly revised charter.
>
> Steve Holbrook
> IBM AC Rep
>
> Jeff Mischkinsky wrote on 07/24/2008 06:34:45 PM:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you know some of us recently made a proposal [1] (and [2]) to the  
> > w3c concerning the standardization of WS-Transfer, WS-
> > ResourceTransfer, WS-Enumeration and WS-MetadataExchange. In that  
> > email we noted that although WS-Eventing [3] was in the list of Member  
> > Submissions, we had not yet come to a definitive proposal concerning  
> > it and would have a suggestion soon. This mail completes the action.
> >
> > We, the undersigned AC reps, request that the W3C form a Working Group  
> > to complete the work on WS-Eventing.
> >
> > Attached is a draft charter for a new Working Group for consideration  
> > by the Team and the Membership. This proposal basically adds WS-
> > Eventing to the scope of the previously suggested WG (and modifies its  
> > proposed name to be Resource Interactions WG). There should be no  
> > change wrt to the other specifications.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Paul Lipton, CA AC rep
> > Kazunori Iwasa , Fujitsu AC Rep
> > Matsuki Yoshino, Hitachi AC Rep
> > Steve, IBM AC rep
> > Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle AC rep
> >
> >
> > [1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2008AprJun/0150.html
> > [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws/2008Jun/0001
> > [3]
http://www.w3.org/Submission/WS-Eventing/
> >
> > [attachment "WS-TEENR-MEX-Charter-dr20080718a.pdf" deleted by Steve
> > Holbrook/Provo/IBM]
> > --
> > Jeff Mischkinsky                         [hidden email]
> > Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards    
> > +1(650)506-1975
> > Consulting Member Technical Staff                    500 Oracle
> Parkway, M/S  
> > 2OP9
> > Oracle                        Redwood Shores, CA 94065
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Standardization of WS-Eventing

Paul Denning




Please comment on the harmonization effort for WSDM and WS-Man that
seems to have included some work on WS-Notification and WS-Eventing.

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/specification/ws-wsdmmgmt/index.html
( http://tinyurl.com/yshgtm )

This links to a May 2007 document.  In particular, figure 2.1 shows
Existing Stacks and Reconciled Stacks.

Under the Reconciled stack, it shows WS-EVN over WS-Eventing'.
That paper does not say much else about WS-EVN.

A March 2006 version is at
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/specification/ws-roadmap/
( http://tinyurl.com/6avt5p )
This paper talks about WS-EventNotification (presumably the same
thing as WS-EVN in the May 2007 paper).  It seems to play a role in this space.

Where does WS-EventNotification fit into this picture and how does it
impact the work of this WG?  Is WS-EventNotification needed to
"compose effectively"?

Paul

At 10:19 AM 2008-07-25, Steve Holbrook wrote:

>IBM remains committed to use of the OASIS Standard WS-Notification
>1.3 as the interoperability standard for enabling a broad range of
>applications that include publish/subscribe and event notification
>in the context of business and complex event processing scenarios.
>However, we are supportive of the W3C standardization of WS-Eventing
>because we appreciate that some in the Web Services community are
>using it in certain domains such as device management and we are
>interested in ensuring that such a standard compose effectively with
>other Web services specifications including WS-Notification.
>
>Steve Holbrook
>IBM AC Rep
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>IBM program director, emerging sw stds
>USA: 1.877.251.8543 - Int'l: +1.801.607.3040
>
>Steve Holbrook wrote on 07/24/2008 06:51:16 PM:
> >
> > IBM confirms this submission of the newly revised charter.
> >
> > Steve Holbrook
> > IBM AC Rep
> >
> > Jeff Mischkinsky wrote on 07/24/2008 06:34:45 PM:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As you know some of us recently made a proposal [1] (and [2]) to the
> > > w3c concerning the standardization of WS-Transfer, WS-
> > > ResourceTransfer, WS-Enumeration and WS-MetadataExchange. In that
> > > email we noted that although WS-Eventing [3] was in the list of Member
> > > Submissions, we had not yet come to a definitive proposal concerning
> > > it and would have a suggestion soon. This mail completes the action.
> > >
> > > We, the undersigned AC reps, request that the W3C form a Working Group
> > > to complete the work on WS-Eventing.
> > >
> > > Attached is a draft charter for a new Working Group for consideration
> > > by the Team and the Membership. This proposal basically adds WS-
> > > Eventing to the scope of the previously suggested WG (and modifies its
> > > proposed name to be Resource Interactions WG). There should be no
> > > change wrt to the other specifications.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Paul Lipton, CA AC rep
> > > Kazunori Iwasa , Fujitsu AC Rep
> > > Matsuki Yoshino, Hitachi AC Rep
> > > Steve, IBM AC rep
> > > Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle AC rep
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2008AprJun/0150.html>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2008AprJun/0150.html
> > > [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws/2008Jun/0001
> > > [3]
> <http://www.w3.org/Submission/WS-Eventing/>http://www.w3.org/Submission/WS-Eventing/
> > >
> > > [attachment "WS-TEENR-MEX-Charter-dr20080718a.pdf" deleted by Steve
> > > Holbrook/Provo/IBM]
> > > --
> > > Jeff Mischkinsky                         [hidden email]
> > > Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards
> > > +1(650)506-1975
> > > Consulting Member Technical Staff                    500 Oracle
> > Parkway, M/S
> > > 2OP9
> > > Oracle                        Redwood Shores, CA 94065
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >




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Re: Standardization of WS-Eventing

Steve Holbrook

Paul,

You are correct.  In March 2006, HP, IBM, Intel, and Microsoft published the joint whitepaper you referenced to develop a converged set of Web Services specifications for resources, events and management.   The roadmap described the technical strategy to build on existing standards and specifications and define a unified set of next generation Web Services specifications for simplifying interoperability and composability.
 
The reconciliation effort jointly published valuable specifications including WS ResourceTransfer (WS-RT) and WS Resource Catalog (WS-RC).  These specs are now moving to a broader community of vendors and customers ---  WS-RT is referred to in the proposed W3C WG charter and WS-RC is in the DMTF.
 
As for the other pieces of work that were proposed by the harmonization roadmap, including WS-EvN, if, and until the time that something is produced from the harmonization proceedings, other activities in the WS community should not delay their work in anticipation of new documents being produced.

Kind regards,

- Steve
-------------------------------------------------------------
IBM program director, emerging sw stds
USA: 1.877.251.8543 - Int'l: +1.801.607.3040


Paul Denning <[hidden email]> wrote on 07/25/2008 09:29:03 AM:
>
> Please comment on the harmonization effort for WSDM and WS-Man that
> seems to have included some work on WS-Notification and WS-Eventing.
>
>
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/specification/ws-
> wsdmmgmt/index.html
> (
http://tinyurl.com/yshgtm )
>
> This links to a May 2007 document.  In particular, figure 2.1 shows
> Existing Stacks and Reconciled Stacks.
>
> Under the Reconciled stack, it shows WS-EVN over WS-Eventing'.
> That paper does not say much else about WS-EVN.
>
> A March 2006 version is at
>
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/
> specification/ws-roadmap/
> (
http://tinyurl.com/6avt5p )
> This paper talks about WS-EventNotification (presumably the same
> thing as WS-EVN in the May 2007 paper).  It seems to play a role in
> this space.
>
> Where does WS-EventNotification fit into this picture and how does it
> impact the work of this WG?  Is WS-EventNotification needed to
> "compose effectively"?
>
> Paul
>
> At 10:19 AM 2008-07-25, Steve Holbrook wrote:
>
> >IBM remains committed to use of the OASIS Standard WS-Notification
> >1.3 as the interoperability standard for enabling a broad range of
> >applications that include publish/subscribe and event notification
> >in the context of business and complex event processing scenarios.
> >However, we are supportive of the W3C standardization of WS-Eventing
> >because we appreciate that some in the Web Services community are
> >using it in certain domains such as device management and we are
> >interested in ensuring that such a standard compose effectively with
> >other Web services specifications including WS-Notification.
> >
> >Steve Holbrook
> >IBM AC Rep
> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> >IBM program director, emerging sw stds
> >USA: 1.877.251.8543 - Int'l: +1.801.607.3040
> >
> >Steve Holbrook wrote on 07/24/2008 06:51:16 PM:
> > >
> > > IBM confirms this submission of the newly revised charter.
> > >
> > > Steve Holbrook
> > > IBM AC Rep
> > >
> > > Jeff Mischkinsky wrote on 07/24/2008 06:34:45 PM:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > As you know some of us recently made a proposal [1] (and [2]) to the
> > > > w3c concerning the standardization of WS-Transfer, WS-
> > > > ResourceTransfer, WS-Enumeration and WS-MetadataExchange. In that
> > > > email we noted that although WS-Eventing [3] was in the list of Member
> > > > Submissions, we had not yet come to a definitive proposal concerning
> > > > it and would have a suggestion soon. This mail completes the action.
> > > >
> > > > We, the undersigned AC reps, request that the W3C form a Working Group
> > > > to complete the work on WS-Eventing.
> > > >
> > > > Attached is a draft charter for a new Working Group for consideration
> > > > by the Team and the Membership. This proposal basically adds WS-
> > > > Eventing to the scope of the previously suggested WG (and modifies its
> > > > proposed name to be Resource Interactions WG). There should be no
> > > > change wrt to the other specifications.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Paul Lipton, CA AC rep
> > > > Kazunori Iwasa , Fujitsu AC Rep
> > > > Matsuki Yoshino, Hitachi AC Rep
> > > > Steve, IBM AC rep
> > > > Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle AC rep
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > <
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2008AprJun/0150.html>
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2008AprJun/0150.html
> > > > [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws/2008Jun/0001
> > > > [3]
> > <
http://www.w3.org/Submission/WS-Eventing/>http://www.w3.org/
> Submission/WS-Eventing/
> > > >
> > > > [attachment "WS-TEENR-MEX-Charter-dr20080718a.pdf" deleted by Steve
> > > > Holbrook/Provo/IBM]
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff Mischkinsky                         [hidden email]
> > > > Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards
> > > > +1(650)506-1975
> > > > Consulting Member Technical Staff                    500 Oracle
> > > Parkway, M/S
> > > > 2OP9
> > > > Oracle                        Redwood Shores, CA 94065
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>