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Gérard Talbot-3
Ken,

In this webpage

http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/

it is not possible to know for sure if the CSSHWOrientationTest.otf font
file is the most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf. The last
modified date info does not relate to the version of the OTF font file.
The filesize given of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf at
test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/ is 45.8
Kilo-bytes.

On the other hand, at

https://github.com/adobe-fonts/css-orientation-test/

the latest most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is 1.005 and
its filesize is 33.2 Kilo-bytes .

- - - - - - - -

This brings a possible problem...

http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/search/name/text-orientation-script-001/

All 16 text-orientation-script-001* tests use and resort to

@font-face {
     font-family: "orientation";
     src: url("support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf");
}

which, in all probabilities, do not link to the latest, most recent
version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf .

There ought to be a way to avoid and to prevent such "inaccuracy"...

The support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf should be using the
most recent version possible of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf . This seems
increasingly important since the text-orientation-script-001* tests
appear to be very difficult, very user-system-resources demanding to
testers (starting with me).

- - - - - - - -

Another question - maybe not an important issue, hard to say - about
CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is why some browsers (eg Firefox 41) "believe"
that CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is an ODF file type that can be processed
by LibreOffice Math? When Elika and I do a left mouse button click on
the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
this happens.

I have looked inside Firefox's 41 preferences and settings and I can not
figure this out.

This may be a Firefox-only issue... and a Linux-only issue... I do not
know..

When I do a left mouse button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf
in
http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
Opera 12.16 "thinks" this is an application/font-snft file type ...
which makes more sense while Chrome just download automatically the
file.

Gérard
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Re: Latest (most recent) version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf and text-orientation-script-001* tests

Ken Lunde
Gérard,

I am not involved in maintaining the material at test.csswg.org, so I cannot comment on the version of the fonts that are there, especially given that the fonts are open source and can thus be modified.

The latest version of the fonts in the original GitHub project is indeed 1.005.

I am not sure how to ensure that test.csswg.org stays in sync with the GitHub project.

About why some font consumers think that the fonts are for math or other purposes is likely due to the very complete coverage of Unicode, in terms of their 'cmap' tables. Complete Unicode code point coverage would, of course, tickle the bits that would advertise the fonts as supporting math. I consider this to be failed heuristics on the part of the font consumer.

Regards...

-- Ken

> On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Gérard Talbot <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> In this webpage
>
> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>
> it is not possible to know for sure if the CSSHWOrientationTest.otf font file is the most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf. The last modified date info does not relate to the version of the OTF font file. The filesize given of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf at test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/ is 45.8 Kilo-bytes.
>
> On the other hand, at
>
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/css-orientation-test/
>
> the latest most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is 1.005 and its filesize is 33.2 Kilo-bytes .
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
> This brings a possible problem...
>
> http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/search/name/text-orientation-script-001/
>
> All 16 text-orientation-script-001* tests use and resort to
>
> @font-face {
>    font-family: "orientation";
>    src: url("support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf");
> }
>
> which, in all probabilities, do not link to the latest, most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf .
>
> There ought to be a way to avoid and to prevent such "inaccuracy"...
>
> The support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf should be using the most recent version possible of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf . This seems increasingly important since the text-orientation-script-001* tests appear to be very difficult, very user-system-resources demanding to testers (starting with me).
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
> Another question - maybe not an important issue, hard to say - about CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is why some browsers (eg Firefox 41) "believe" that CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is an ODF file type that can be processed by LibreOffice Math? When Elika and I do a left mouse button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
> this happens.
>
> I have looked inside Firefox's 41 preferences and settings and I can not figure this out.
>
> This may be a Firefox-only issue... and a Linux-only issue... I do not know..
>
> When I do a left mouse button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
> Opera 12.16 "thinks" this is an application/font-snft file type ... which makes more sense while Chrome just download automatically the file.
>
> Gérard
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Re: Latest (most recent) version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf and text-orientation-script-001* tests

Gérard Talbot-3
Le 2015-09-29 19:28, Ken Lunde a écrit :
> Gérard,
>
> I am not involved in maintaining the material at test.csswg.org, so I
> cannot comment on the version of the fonts that are there, especially
> given that the fonts are open source and can thus be modified.


I understand.


> The latest version of the fonts in the original GitHub project is
> indeed 1.005.


I have added such version of the font into

http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/

and inserted "-v1.005" into its filename ... that is a
temporary+transitory step until we (people using your valuable font and
test.csswg.org maintainers) decide if we need to establish some kind of  
protocols to make sure we are using the latest and most recent version
of that font file. Maybe just checking once in a while and
replacing/overwriting for updating when needed would be sufficient...?

> I am not sure how to ensure that test.csswg.org stays in sync with the
> GitHub project.
>
> About why some font consumers think that the fonts are for math or
> other purposes is likely due to the very complete coverage of Unicode,
> in terms of their 'cmap' tables. Complete Unicode code point coverage
> would, of course, tickle the bits that would advertise the fonts as
> supporting math. I consider this to be failed heuristics on the part
> of the font consumer.

I have opened a bug report over at bugzilla.mozilla.org on this:

Bug 1209752 - Recognition, handling of filename.otf
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209752

>
> Regards...
>

Hey Ken! Thanks for your email reply! :)

Gérard

> -- Ken
>
>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Gérard Talbot
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> In this webpage
>>
>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>
>> it is not possible to know for sure if the CSSHWOrientationTest.otf
>> font file is the most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf. The
>> last modified date info does not relate to the version of the OTF font
>> file. The filesize given of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf at
>> test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/ is 45.8
>> Kilo-bytes.
>>
>> On the other hand, at
>>
>> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/css-orientation-test/
>>
>> the latest most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is 1.005
>> and its filesize is 33.2 Kilo-bytes .

!error: it should have been saying 37.2, not 33.2

>>
>> - - - - - - - -
>>
>> This brings a possible problem...
>>
>> http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/search/name/text-orientation-script-001/
>>
>> All 16 text-orientation-script-001* tests use and resort to
>>
>> @font-face {
>>    font-family: "orientation";
>>    src: url("support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf");
>> }
>>
>> which, in all probabilities, do not link to the latest, most recent
>> version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf .
>>
>> There ought to be a way to avoid and to prevent such "inaccuracy"...
>>
>> The support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf should be using the
>> most recent version possible of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf . This seems
>> increasingly important since the text-orientation-script-001* tests
>> appear to be very difficult, very user-system-resources demanding to
>> testers (starting with me).
>>
>> - - - - - - - -
>>
>> Another question - maybe not an important issue, hard to say - about
>> CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is why some browsers (eg Firefox 41)
>> "believe" that CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is an ODF file type that can
>> be processed by LibreOffice Math? When Elika and I do a left mouse
>> button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>> this happens.
>>
>> I have looked inside Firefox's 41 preferences and settings and I can
>> not figure this out.
>>
>> This may be a Firefox-only issue... and a Linux-only issue... I do not
>> know..
>>
>> When I do a left mouse button click on the link
>> CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>> Opera 12.16 "thinks" this is an application/font-snft file type ...
>> which makes more sense while Chrome just download automatically the
>> file.
>>
>> Gérard
>> --
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Re: Latest (most recent) version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf and text-orientation-script-001* tests

Ken Lunde
Gérard,

Given that these OpenType fonts cover all of Unicode in a way that is not tied to a particular version of Unicode, the likelihood up frequent updates is very low. I can either set a reminder for myself to notify when an update is issued, or you can check the project at specific times of the year. Or both.

Regards...

-- Ken

> On Sep 29, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Gérard Talbot <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Le 2015-09-29 19:28, Ken Lunde a écrit :
>> Gérard,
>> I am not involved in maintaining the material at test.csswg.org, so I
>> cannot comment on the version of the fonts that are there, especially
>> given that the fonts are open source and can thus be modified.
>
>
> I understand.
>
>
>> The latest version of the fonts in the original GitHub project is indeed 1.005.
>
>
> I have added such version of the font into
>
> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>
> and inserted "-v1.005" into its filename ... that is a temporary+transitory step until we (people using your valuable font and test.csswg.org maintainers) decide if we need to establish some kind of  protocols to make sure we are using the latest and most recent version of that font file. Maybe just checking once in a while and replacing/overwriting for updating when needed would be sufficient...?
>
>> I am not sure how to ensure that test.csswg.org stays in sync with the
>> GitHub project.
>> About why some font consumers think that the fonts are for math or
>> other purposes is likely due to the very complete coverage of Unicode,
>> in terms of their 'cmap' tables. Complete Unicode code point coverage
>> would, of course, tickle the bits that would advertise the fonts as
>> supporting math. I consider this to be failed heuristics on the part
>> of the font consumer.
>
> I have opened a bug report over at bugzilla.mozilla.org on this:
>
> Bug 1209752 - Recognition, handling of filename.otf
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209752
>
>> Regards...
>
> Hey Ken! Thanks for your email reply! :)
>
> Gérard
>
>> -- Ken
>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Gérard Talbot <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Ken,
>>> In this webpage
>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>> it is not possible to know for sure if the CSSHWOrientationTest.otf font file is the most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf. The last modified date info does not relate to the version of the OTF font file. The filesize given of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf at test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/ is 45.8 Kilo-bytes.
>>> On the other hand, at
>>> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/css-orientation-test/
>>> the latest most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is 1.005 and its filesize is 33.2 Kilo-bytes .
>
> !error: it should have been saying 37.2, not 33.2
>
>>> - - - - - - - -
>>> This brings a possible problem...
>>> http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/search/name/text-orientation-script-001/
>>> All 16 text-orientation-script-001* tests use and resort to
>>> @font-face {
>>>   font-family: "orientation";
>>>   src: url("support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf");
>>> }
>>> which, in all probabilities, do not link to the latest, most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf .
>>> There ought to be a way to avoid and to prevent such "inaccuracy"...
>>> The support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf should be using the most recent version possible of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf . This seems increasingly important since the text-orientation-script-001* tests appear to be very difficult, very user-system-resources demanding to testers (starting with me).
>>> - - - - - - - -
>>> Another question - maybe not an important issue, hard to say - about CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is why some browsers (eg Firefox 41) "believe" that CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is an ODF file type that can be processed by LibreOffice Math? When Elika and I do a left mouse button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>> this happens.
>>> I have looked inside Firefox's 41 preferences and settings and I can not figure this out.
>>> This may be a Firefox-only issue... and a Linux-only issue... I do not know..
>>> When I do a left mouse button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>> Opera 12.16 "thinks" this is an application/font-snft file type ... which makes more sense while Chrome just download automatically the file.
>>> Gérard
>>> --
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>
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Re: Latest (most recent) version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf and text-orientation-script-001* tests

Gérard Talbot-3
Le 2015-09-30 18:20, Ken Lunde a écrit :
> Gérard,
>
> Given that these OpenType fonts cover all of Unicode in a way that is
> not tied to a particular version of Unicode, the likelihood up
> frequent updates is very low. I can either set a reminder for myself
> to notify when an update is issued, or you can check the project at
> specific times of the year. Or both.

Ken,

Right now, to my knowledge, only Koji Ishii has created tests using your
CSSHWOrientationTest.otf font file . We will check once in a while
if we are still using the latest version... hopefully, the filesize of a
newer version will be different from the present version.

I just updated the README.md file.

http://hg.csswg.org/test/rev/b2d1c69ac55d

The updates are mostly about the font binary version: what is the latest
version and where to check for the latest.

Ken, thank you for your time.

Gérard

>
>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Gérard Talbot
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Le 2015-09-29 19:28, Ken Lunde a écrit :
>>> Gérard,
>>> I am not involved in maintaining the material at test.csswg.org, so I
>>> cannot comment on the version of the fonts that are there, especially
>>> given that the fonts are open source and can thus be modified.
>>
>>
>> I understand.
>>
>>
>>> The latest version of the fonts in the original GitHub project is
>>> indeed 1.005.
>>
>>
>> I have added such version of the font into
>>
>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>
>> and inserted "-v1.005" into its filename ... that is a
>> temporary+transitory step until we (people using your valuable font
>> and test.csswg.org maintainers) decide if we need to establish some
>> kind of  protocols to make sure we are using the latest and most
>> recent version of that font file. Maybe just checking once in a while
>> and replacing/overwriting for updating when needed would be
>> sufficient...?
>>
>>> I am not sure how to ensure that test.csswg.org stays in sync with
>>> the
>>> GitHub project.
>>> About why some font consumers think that the fonts are for math or
>>> other purposes is likely due to the very complete coverage of
>>> Unicode,
>>> in terms of their 'cmap' tables. Complete Unicode code point coverage
>>> would, of course, tickle the bits that would advertise the fonts as
>>> supporting math. I consider this to be failed heuristics on the part
>>> of the font consumer.
>>
>> I have opened a bug report over at bugzilla.mozilla.org on this:
>>
>> Bug 1209752 - Recognition, handling of filename.otf
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209752
>>
>>> Regards...
>>
>> Hey Ken! Thanks for your email reply! :)
>>
>> Gérard
>>
>>> -- Ken
>>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Gérard Talbot
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Ken,
>>>> In this webpage
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>>> it is not possible to know for sure if the CSSHWOrientationTest.otf
>>>> font file is the most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf.
>>>> The last modified date info does not relate to the version of the
>>>> OTF font file. The filesize given of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf at
>>>> test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/ is
>>>> 45.8 Kilo-bytes.
>>>> On the other hand, at
>>>> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/css-orientation-test/
>>>> the latest most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is 1.005
>>>> and its filesize is 33.2 Kilo-bytes .
>>
>> !error: it should have been saying 37.2, not 33.2
>>
>>>> - - - - - - - -
>>>> This brings a possible problem...
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/search/name/text-orientation-script-001/
>>>> All 16 text-orientation-script-001* tests use and resort to
>>>> @font-face {
>>>>   font-family: "orientation";
>>>>   src: url("support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf");
>>>> }
>>>> which, in all probabilities, do not link to the latest, most recent
>>>> version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf .
>>>> There ought to be a way to avoid and to prevent such "inaccuracy"...
>>>> The support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf should be using the
>>>> most recent version possible of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf . This
>>>> seems increasingly important since the text-orientation-script-001*
>>>> tests appear to be very difficult, very user-system-resources
>>>> demanding to testers (starting with me).
>>>> - - - - - - - -
>>>> Another question - maybe not an important issue, hard to say - about
>>>> CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is why some browsers (eg Firefox 41)
>>>> "believe" that CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is an ODF file type that can
>>>> be processed by LibreOffice Math? When Elika and I do a left mouse
>>>> button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>>> this happens.
>>>> I have looked inside Firefox's 41 preferences and settings and I can
>>>> not figure this out.
>>>> This may be a Firefox-only issue... and a Linux-only issue... I do
>>>> not know..
>>>> When I do a left mouse button click on the link
>>>> CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>>> Opera 12.16 "thinks" this is an application/font-snft file type ...
>>>> which makes more sense while Chrome just download automatically the
>>>> file.
>>>> Gérard
>>>> --
>>>> Test Format Guidelines
>>>> http://testthewebforward.org/docs/test-format-guidelines.html
>>>> Test Style Guidelines
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>>>> CSS Naming Guidelines
>>>> http://testthewebforward.org/docs/css-naming.html
>>>> Test Review Checklist
>>>> http://testthewebforward.org/docs/review-checklist.html
>>>> CSS Metadata
>>>> http://testthewebforward.org/docs/css-metadata.html
>>
>> --
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