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How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Alma Hunt
I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
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Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Keith Rubow-2
Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With
caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a
caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in
the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default
caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption
and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from
the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.

Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions,
but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom,
which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to
zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.

Keith Rubow

Alma Hunt wrote:
> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
> need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
>  


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RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

ASHLEY BREWIN
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Alma,
I've been having fun with borders and captions since seeing your post.
I'm not very experienced with Amaya, so it has been a learning
experience for me too.
I've attached a screen shot of Amaya, Firefox and IE7 all showing the
same picture - it's interesting to see the differences.

Below is the script I used.
It seems that it is necessary to have 'border-width' in the CCS text,
with the value in pixels, hence in my script: border-width="10px", AND
YOU NEED
border="1" in the body text, hence: <table border="1" cellspacing="5"
cellpadding="5">

If one or more of the more experienced members of this group can tell me
why it's necessary to have entries in both the CCS and the body, then
I'd appreciate their feedback.

Regards,
Ashley


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type"
content="application/xhtml+xml; charset=UTF-8" />
<title>border_fun</title>
<meta name="generator" content="Amaya, see http://www.w3.org/Amaya/" />

<style type="text/css">
body
{
   background-color : #000000;
}
table
{
     background-color : #000070;
     text-align : center;
     color : #FF0000;
     font-family : Arial;
     border-width : 10px;
     border-color : #FFFF00;
}
</style>

</head>

<body>
<table border="1" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5">
  <caption>Plane Parts</caption>
  <col />
  <tbody>
    <tr>
      <td><img alt="plane parts" title="plane parts"
src="Planeparts.jpg" width="370" height="170" /></td>
    </tr>
  </tbody>
</table>
</body>
</html>




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RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Michael Friedman
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Is this really an Amaya issue?

There are hundreds of ways to give a figure a caption in HTML and CSS.  It is up to you how to choose to do it.  Keith's method will work but it is absolutely not the only way or even the "right" way - there is no one right way... there are hundreds.

If Amaya does not support creating valid HTML then that's a bug.  If you can't figure out how to produce some valid HTML in Amaya then that's a good Amaya question.  

I'm not sure there's a lot of value to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.

Thanks
Mike


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-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Keith Rubow
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With
caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a
caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in
the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default
caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption
and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from
the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.

Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions,
but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom,
which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to
zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.

Keith Rubow

Alma Hunt wrote:
> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
> need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
>  



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Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Stanimir Stamenkov-3
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Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:43:25 -0800 (PST), /Alma Hunt/:

> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to
> which I need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?

Not specific to Amaya but you could use HTML4-compatible markup after
the new HTML5 element types:

http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/semantics.html#the-figure-element

<span class="figure">
<img src="..." alt="...">
<span class="figcaption">...</span>
</span>

Style as desired.

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RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo-3
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Hi all,

I agree with Michael. It not seem a good idea to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.

But about how to make a caption for a figure, there are a better and more elegant solution than use a table. An example is the Bert Bos's CSS examples: http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/figures

Please, don't use tables for layout purpose only.

This thread suggests to me that would be useful in documenting Amaya recommend to those who will use it to consult WCAG.

Best regards,
Emmanuelle

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Coordinadora del Seminario SIDAR
www.sidar.org
email: [hidden email] / [hidden email]

 

-----Mensaje original-----
De: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Michael Friedman
Enviado el: viernes, 05 de marzo de 2010 3:16
Para: [hidden email]
Asunto: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Is this really an Amaya issue?

There are hundreds of ways to give a figure a caption in HTML and CSS.  It is up to you how to choose to do it.  Keith's method will work but it is absolutely not the only way or even the "right" way - there is no one right way... there are hundreds.

If Amaya does not support creating valid HTML then that's a bug.  If you can't figure out how to produce some valid HTML in Amaya then that's a good Amaya question.  

I'm not sure there's a lot of value to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.

Thanks
Mike


Michael Friedman
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[hidden email]
Skype: Mike.Friedman



-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Keith Rubow
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With
caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a
caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in
the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default
caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption
and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from
the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.

Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions,
but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom,
which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to
zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.

Keith Rubow

Alma Hunt wrote:
> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
> need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
>  




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Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Bill Braun
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I concur with Michael with a minor point of difference. Hearing what people are trying to do may provide insight into improvements for Amaya. That said, once down that path, it is likely impossible to prevent such discussion from turning exponential, landing us right where Michael cautions us not to go.

Bill B

Michael Friedman wrote:
Is this really an Amaya issue?

There are hundreds of ways to give a figure a caption in HTML and CSS.  It is up to you how to choose to do it.  Keith's method will work but it is absolutely not the only way or even the "right" way - there is no one right way... there are hundreds.

If Amaya does not support creating valid HTML then that's a bug.  If you can't figure out how to produce some valid HTML in Amaya then that's a good Amaya question.  

I'm not sure there's a lot of value to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.

Thanks
Mike


Michael Friedman
Parellax Ltd.
[hidden email]
Skype: Mike.Friedman



-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Keith Rubow
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With 
caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a 
caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in 
the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default 
caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption 
and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from 
the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.

Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions, 
but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom, 
which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to 
zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.

Keith Rubow

Alma Hunt wrote:
  
I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
  
    





  
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Re: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Christopher Evans-2
In reply to this post by Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo-3
I agree the forum should not be a place for requesting help, but the requests indicate that the possibility of gaps in or poor indexing of the help pages should be considered.

Best regards,


Christopher


On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:59:06 -0000, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Michael. It not seem a good idea to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.
>
> But about how to make a caption for a figure, there are a better and more elegant solution than use a table. An example is the Bert Bos's CSS examples: http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/figures
>
> Please, don't use tables for layout purpose only.
>
> This thread suggests to me that would be useful in documenting Amaya recommend to those who will use it to consult WCAG.
>
> Best regards,
> Emmanuelle
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
> Directora de la Fundación Sidar
> Coordinadora del Seminario SIDAR
> www.sidar.org
> email: [hidden email] / [hidden email]
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Michael Friedman
> Enviado el: viernes, 05 de marzo de 2010 3:16
> Para: [hidden email]
> Asunto: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>
> Is this really an Amaya issue?
>
> There are hundreds of ways to give a figure a caption in HTML and CSS.  It is up to you how to choose to do it.  Keith's method will work but it is absolutely not the only way or even the "right" way - there is no one right way... there are hundreds.
>
> If Amaya does not support creating valid HTML then that's a bug.  If you can't figure out how to produce some valid HTML in Amaya then that's a good Amaya question.
>
> I'm not sure there's a lot of value to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
> Michael Friedman
> Parellax Ltd.
> [hidden email]
> Skype: Mike.Friedman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Keith Rubow
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>
> Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With
> caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a
> caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in
> the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default
> caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption
> and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from
> the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.
>
> Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions,
> but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom,
> which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to
> zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.
>
> Keith Rubow
>
> Alma Hunt wrote:
>> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
>> need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Michael Friedman
Should the docs tell people how to use HTML to do specific tasks?  There are already great places to learn that.  For example, see http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp.  

Or should they be focused on "If you want to write arbitrary valid HTML here is how you do it."?



Thanks
Mike


Michael Friedman
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-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Evans [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:06 PM
To: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo; 'Michael Friedman'; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

I agree the forum should not be a place for requesting help, but the requests indicate that the possibility of gaps in or poor indexing of the help pages should be considered.

Best regards,


Christopher


On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:59:06 -0000, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Michael. It not seem a good idea to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.
>
> But about how to make a caption for a figure, there are a better and more elegant solution than use a table. An example is the Bert Bos's CSS examples: http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/figures
>
> Please, don't use tables for layout purpose only.
>
> This thread suggests to me that would be useful in documenting Amaya recommend to those who will use it to consult WCAG.
>
> Best regards,
> Emmanuelle
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
> Directora de la Fundación Sidar
> Coordinadora del Seminario SIDAR
> www.sidar.org
> email: [hidden email] / [hidden email]
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Michael Friedman
> Enviado el: viernes, 05 de marzo de 2010 3:16
> Para: [hidden email]
> Asunto: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>
> Is this really an Amaya issue?
>
> There are hundreds of ways to give a figure a caption in HTML and CSS.  It is up to you how to choose to do it.  Keith's method will work but it is absolutely not the only way or even the "right" way - there is no one right way... there are hundreds.
>
> If Amaya does not support creating valid HTML then that's a bug.  If you can't figure out how to produce some valid HTML in Amaya then that's a good Amaya question.
>
> I'm not sure there's a lot of value to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
> Michael Friedman
> Parellax Ltd.
> [hidden email]
> Skype: Mike.Friedman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Keith Rubow
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>
> Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With
> caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a
> caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in
> the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default
> caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption
> and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from
> the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.
>
> Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions,
> but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom,
> which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to
> zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.
>
> Keith Rubow
>
> Alma Hunt wrote:
>> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
>> need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?

Bill Braun

Michael Friedman wrote:
> Should the docs tell people how to use HTML to do specific tasks?  There are already great places to learn that.  For example, see http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp.  
>
> Or should they be focused on "If you want to write arbitrary valid HTML here is how you do it."?
>  

Two arguments. One, as a technical tool, the latter ought to suffice.
Amaya is a coding tool, not a design tool.

Two, for most people Amaya is a means to an end, and help with the end
result they wish to receive will separate Amaya from the rest of the
markup software pack.

Is there any reason they cannot address both?

Bill B


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C C Evans
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It was a general point. If there are gaps in the content or indexing of the help pages specific to Amaya, should consideration be given to filling them in? One such example was my question about creating our own "themes".

Christopher


On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:39:20 -0000, Michael Friedman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Should the docs tell people how to use HTML to do specific tasks?  There are already great places to learn that.  For example, see http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp.
>
> Or should they be focused on "If you want to write arbitrary valid HTML here is how you do it."?
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
> Michael Friedman
> Parellax Ltd.
> [hidden email]
> Skype: Mike.Friedman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Evans [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:06 PM
> To: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo; 'Michael Friedman'; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>
> I agree the forum should not be a place for requesting help, but the requests indicate that the possibility of gaps in or poor indexing of the help pages should be considered.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Christopher
>
>
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:59:06 -0000, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I agree with Michael. It not seem a good idea to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.
>>
>> But about how to make a caption for a figure, there are a better and more elegant solution than use a table. An example is the Bert Bos's CSS examples: http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/figures
>>
>> Please, don't use tables for layout purpose only.
>>
>> This thread suggests to me that would be useful in documenting Amaya recommend to those who will use it to consult WCAG.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Emmanuelle
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
>> Directora de la Fundación Sidar
>> Coordinadora del Seminario SIDAR
>> www.sidar.org
>> email: [hidden email] / [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Michael Friedman
>> Enviado el: viernes, 05 de marzo de 2010 3:16
>> Para: [hidden email]
>> Asunto: RE: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>>
>> Is this really an Amaya issue?
>>
>> There are hundreds of ways to give a figure a caption in HTML and CSS.  It is up to you how to choose to do it.  Keith's method will work but it is absolutely not the only way or even the "right" way - there is no one right way... there are hundreds.
>>
>> If Amaya does not support creating valid HTML then that's a bug.  If you can't figure out how to produce some valid HTML in Amaya then that's a good Amaya question.
>>
>> I'm not sure there's a lot of value to turning the list into an HTML how to forum though.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Michael Friedman
>> Parellax Ltd.
>> [hidden email]
>> Skype: Mike.Friedman
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Keith Rubow
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: How do I give figure captions in Amaya?
>>
>> Insert a 1x1 table (one row, one column), and be sure to check the "With
>> caption" box. Insert the image into the table. The table will contain a
>> caption (default is empty) above the table cell. Position the cursor in
>> the empty caption and enter the desired caption text. The default
>> caption position is top (above the table). You can select the caption
>> and insert an "align" attribute. Then select the attribute value from
>> the list to position the caption top, bottom, right or left of the table.
>>
>> Note: Amaya does not properly display right or left aligned captions,
>> but other browsers do. Personally, I would stick with top or bottom,
>> which is where most captions want to be. Set the table border width to
>> zero so all you see is the image and the caption text.
>>
>> Keith Rubow
>>
>> Alma Hunt wrote:
>>> I have created web pages using Amaya ver 11.3. Inserted an image to which I
>>> need to give figure caption. How do I go about doing this?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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