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Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Patrick Grayson
Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya? The FAQ is not that helpful.
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patrick Grayson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya? The FAQ is not that helpful.

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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Alma Hunt
I do agree with Mr. Patrick. The manual does not talk about creating a basic web page.


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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patrick Grayson <pat.grayson@gmail.com>wrote:

> Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?
> The FAQ is not that helpful.
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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Patrick Grayson
Any suggestions?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Alma Hunt <[hidden email]> wrote:

I do agree with Mr. Patrick. The manual does not talk about creating a basic
web page.



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>> Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?
>> The FAQ is not that helpful.
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Nowadays i'ts fairly difficult if you follow the correct design rules. Some years ago you could put items in cells of tables, so everything was aligned and in order. Now, you're supposed to use a separate style sheet (CSS). The problem is to make a set of containers (<div>) that go where you want them to go, for different screen sizes and browsers.

There are a few basic designs (sets of files) on the web, but they never seem to work for me. You coudl buy a book with a CD, I suppose.

The difficulty with komposer and amaya is with creating style sheets that work. Komposer won't even let you comment out tryouts - it just deletes them if it finds an error.

I gave up and bought TOweb (which has a free version). It's fairly new and has a few frustrating limitations, but you can produce a reasonable site fairly easily.

Regards



Alma Hunt wrote
I do agree with Mr. Patrick. The manual does not talk about creating a basic web page.


RBL wrote
Does anyone know if this list has a moderator?
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My contact info is at rblevin.org



On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patrick Grayson <pat.grayson@gmail.com>wrote:

> Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?
> The FAQ is not that helpful.
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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Charles McCathieNevile-2
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:49:30 +0100, Patrick Grayson  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?  
> The FAQ is not that helpful.

I actually wrote some stuff on this about a decade ago. It didn't explain  
"How to build a webpage" so much as what are the things I can put in a web  
page, with pointers back through the manual on how to use them. It's still  
there in the latest documentation, at the end of the index as  
"introduction to HTML" - and it is still not very good. But Amaya being  
Open source, improving the documentation is a contribution that people  
could make.

Alternately, if people explain the questions they had that the  
documentation doesn't answer, it might help other people think about  
proposing improvements to the documentation itself.

For example, the current listing of contents in the Manual is hard to  
understand at a glance. Adding a few top-level headings to break it up  
into something like

Browsing
   Moving, selecting, etc.
   Accessibility, configuring shortcuts
Editing
   Basics
     Creating/Opening, saving documents (part 1)
     Editing elements, attributes, text
     Working from Templates
   Using HTML features
     Links
     Tables
     Image Maps
     Document types
   Style and layout (CSS)
   Mathematics - MathML
   SVG - advanced Graphics
   XML - advanced structures
Working with Documents
   Creating Templates
   Publishing, WebDAV
   Printing

Would seem (to me) to give a bit more clarity, without even touching the  
existing material. If we use this list to propose concrete changes, and  
people generally agree that they are improvements, it is possible to make  
them part of the distribution package of Amaya...

cheers

Chaals

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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Janet Norman-Philips
Hi Charles

Just to ad another perspective.
I tried using Amaya a while back but I couldn't find a way in that I understood.
I'm not particularly familiar with HTML and I'm not a techie.

I gave up trying to use Amaya.

If I'd had a document to follow that told me how to build a web page it would have helped a lot.

But I mean, how to do it from the very beginning.

ie Start will a blank piece of paper and draw out what it looks like, work out how many pages there will be and what's on them.

Decide what's on every page (eg navigation and a picture)

Decide what's on the background.

Make up the individual elements eg create the picture in a picture editor that's the right size to be your banner.

Then open Amaya and do this thing first, then save it, then do this thing second and save that etc etc


So I'd really have liked an instruction book that told me every step of what I needed to do, one simple step at a time.

It would also have needed to explain simple concepts - like a web page is made up of overlaid elements.
A master sheet with the things that are constant. With boxes on it that can be filled with different stuff on individual pages.

Essentially An idiots guide - because every instruction manual I have ever seen explains what the software does in great detail but that doesn't help if you have no idea where to start....

cheers
janet


Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:49:30 +0100, Patrick Grayson [hidden email] wrote:

Does anyone have a basic document on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya? The FAQ is not that helpful.

I actually wrote some stuff on this about a decade ago. It didn't explain "How to build a webpage" so much as what are the things I can put in a web page, with pointers back through the manual on how to use them. It's still there in the latest documentation, at the end of the index as "introduction to HTML" - and it is still not very good. But Amaya being Open source, improving the documentation is a contribution that people could make.

Alternately, if people explain the questions they had that the documentation doesn't answer, it might help other people think about proposing improvements to the documentation itself.

For example, the current listing of contents in the Manual is hard to understand at a glance. Adding a few top-level headings to break it up into something like

Browsing
  Moving, selecting, etc.
  Accessibility, configuring shortcuts
Editing
  Basics
    Creating/Opening, saving documents (part 1)
    Editing elements, attributes, text
    Working from Templates
  Using HTML features
    Links
    Tables
    Image Maps
    Document types
  Style and layout (CSS)
  Mathematics - MathML
  SVG - advanced Graphics
  XML - advanced structures
Working with Documents
  Creating Templates
  Publishing, WebDAV
  Printing

Would seem (to me) to give a bit more clarity, without even touching the existing material. If we use this list to propose concrete changes, and people generally agree that they are improvements, it is possible to make them part of the distribution package of Amaya...

cheers

Chaals

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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Jeff Hunt-5
I have put a couple of pages on the internet at
http://dnwfriends.nzl.org/amayaproject/tut1.html to give newbies a way
to begin to tinker with Amaya and start their own website. I am not at
all confident that anyone will use it but I think I should try.
I'm hampered by the fact that I learned my coding on a text editor and
tend not to use the fancy bits of Amaya.
These pages are a mess at present but it's early days.  If anyone
thinks I may be on to something I'd like to hear. Or if anyone wants
to take it and run with it that would be great.
Anyway I'll get up a few more pages and try to get something that's helpful.

Regards.

On 2/22/10, Janet Norman-Philips <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Charles
>
> Just to ad another perspective.
> I tried using Amaya a while back but I couldn't find a way in that I
> understood.
> I'm not particularly familiar with HTML and I'm not a techie.
>
> I gave up trying to use Amaya.
>
> If I'd had a document to follow that told me how to build a web page it
> would have helped a lot.
>
> But I mean, how to do it from the very beginning.
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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Alma Hunt
This example is amazing..hope it helps others too.


Jeff Hunt-5 wrote
I have put a couple of pages on the internet at
http://dnwfriends.nzl.org/amayaproject/tut1.html to give newbies a way
to begin to tinker with Amaya and start their own website. I am not at
all confident that anyone will use it but I think I should try.
I'm hampered by the fact that I learned my coding on a text editor and
tend not to use the fancy bits of Amaya.
These pages are a mess at present but it's early days.  If anyone
thinks I may be on to something I'd like to hear. Or if anyone wants
to take it and run with it that would be great.
Anyway I'll get up a few more pages and try to get something that's helpful.

Regards.

On 2/22/10, Janet Norman-Philips <jnphilips@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> Hi Charles
>
> Just to ad another perspective.
> I tried using Amaya a while back but I couldn't find a way in that I
> understood.
> I'm not particularly familiar with HTML and I'm not a techie.
>
> I gave up trying to use Amaya.
>
> If I'd had a document to follow that told me how to build a web page it
> would have helped a lot.
>
> But I mean, how to do it from the very beginning.
[...]
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Re: Doc on "How To Build A Webpage" in Amaya?

Laurent Carcone-2
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Thanks for your initiative Jeff, it can be very helpful.
I you want to add some other pages, we can add a link from the Amaya
documentation.

Regards,
Laurent Carcone

(btw, I have fixed the missing link in the Contributors page)


Le 18/04/2010 09:04, Jeff Hunt a écrit :

> I have put a couple of pages on the internet at
> http://dnwfriends.nzl.org/amayaproject/tut1.html to give newbies a way
> to begin to tinker with Amaya and start their own website. I am not at
> all confident that anyone will use it but I think I should try.
> I'm hampered by the fact that I learned my coding on a text editor and
> tend not to use the fancy bits of Amaya.
> These pages are a mess at present but it's early days.  If anyone
> thinks I may be on to something I'd like to hear. Or if anyone wants
> to take it and run with it that would be great.
> Anyway I'll get up a few more pages and try to get something that's helpful.
>
> Regards.
>
> On 2/22/10, Janet Norman-Philips<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>    
>> Hi Charles
>>
>> Just to ad another perspective.
>> I tried using Amaya a while back but I couldn't find a way in that I
>> understood.
>> I'm not particularly familiar with HTML and I'm not a techie.
>>
>> I gave up trying to use Amaya.
>>
>> If I'd had a document to follow that told me how to build a web page it
>> would have helped a lot.
>>
>> But I mean, how to do it from the very beginning.
>>      
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