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[Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

r12a

Comment from the i18n review of:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/

Comment 48
At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
Editorial/substantive: E
Owner: RI

Location in reviewed document:
General

Comment:
We feel that there should be a note in the specification that says that it is implied/understood that xml:lang represents language information wherever it appears.




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Re: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

Felix Sasaki

Hello i18n core,

This is a reply on behalf of the i18n ITS working group. See also
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3515 for our discussion.

Thank you very much for your comment. We agreed to implement it. Please
have a look at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#langinfo-implementation
 , the note below example 38.


Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't hear
 from you , we will assume this issue as closed.

Regards,

Felix


[hidden email] wrote:

> Comment from the i18n review of:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/
>
> Comment 48
> At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
> Editorial/substantive: E
> Owner: RI
>
> Location in reviewed document:
> General
>
> Comment:
> We feel that there should be a note in the specification that says that it is implied/understood that xml:lang represents language information wherever it appears.
>
>
>
>



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RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

r12a

Personal comment:

"Applying the language information data category to xml:lang attributes
using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined in
terms of [RFC 4646]."

Strictly speaking xml is defined in terms of RFC 3066 or its successor.  It
may be better to say "in terms of [BCP 47]" at this location.  If not, you
should add, or it's successor.  (Bear in mind that RFC 4646bis is just
around the corner, relatively speaking.)

RI


============
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11 September 2006 04:47
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please
>
> Hello i18n core,
>
> This is a reply on behalf of the i18n ITS working group. See also
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3515 for our discussion.
>
> Thank you very much for your comment. We agreed to implement
> it. Please have a look at
> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#l
> anginfo-implementation
>  , the note below example 38.
>
>
> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we
> don't hear  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix
>
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > Comment from the i18n review of:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/
> >
> > Comment 48
> > At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
> > Editorial/substantive: E
> > Owner: RI
> >
> > Location in reviewed document:
> > General
> >
> > Comment:
> > We feel that there should be a note in the specification
> that says that it is implied/understood that xml:lang
> represents language information wherever it appears.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

Yves Savourel-2

Hi Richard,

The reference has been changed to 'RFC3066 or its successor' with a link to a reference to the "Language Identification" section of
the XML specification.
See http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#langinfo-definition

Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't hear  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.

Cheers,
-yves


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:09 PM
To: 'Felix Sasaki'
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please


Personal comment:

"Applying the language information data category to xml:lang attributes using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is
already defined in terms of [RFC 4646]."

Strictly speaking xml is defined in terms of RFC 3066 or its successor.  It may be better to say "in terms of [BCP 47]" at this
location.  If not, you should add, or it's successor.  (Bear in mind that RFC 4646bis is just around the corner, relatively
speaking.)

RI


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Re: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

Addison Phillips-2

Really I think you ought to use the latest reference. RFC 4646 is
published and can be referenced. Pointing to the older, obsolete, RFC
may confuse people needlessly. Your current text says:

--
Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined
in terms of RFC3066 or its successor.
--

It might be better to append a note to that sentence:

--
Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined
in terms of RFC3066 or its successor. (RFC4646 is the successor to RFC
3066.)
--

Best Regards,

Addison

Yves Savourel wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> The reference has been changed to 'RFC3066 or its successor' with a link to a reference to the "Language Identification" section of
> the XML specification.
> See http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#langinfo-definition
>
> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't hear  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>
> Cheers,
> -yves
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:09 PM
> To: 'Felix Sasaki'
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please
>
>
> Personal comment:
>
> "Applying the language information data category to xml:lang attributes using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is
> already defined in terms of [RFC 4646]."
>
> Strictly speaking xml is defined in terms of RFC 3066 or its successor.  It may be better to say "in terms of [BCP 47]" at this
> location.  If not, you should add, or it's successor.  (Bear in mind that RFC 4646bis is just around the corner, relatively
> speaking.)
>
> RI
>
>

--
Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature.

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Re: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

Felix Sasaki

Hi Addison, all,

We discussed this at the thread at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0136.html
and came up with the following wording:

"Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is the standard way to
specify language information in XML. xml:lang is defined
in terms of RFC3066 or its successor. (RFC4646 is the successor to RFC
3066.)"
We would have a normative reference to RFC4646 and a non-normative one to
RFC3066.

Would that be fine with you?

Felix

>
> Really I think you ought to use the latest reference. RFC 4646 is
> published and can be referenced. Pointing to the older, obsolete, RFC
> may confuse people needlessly. Your current text says:
>
> --
> Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined
> in terms of RFC3066 or its successor.
> --
>
> It might be better to append a note to that sentence:
>
> --
> Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined
> in terms of RFC3066 or its successor. (RFC4646 is the successor to RFC
> 3066.)
> --
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Addison
>
> Yves Savourel wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> The reference has been changed to 'RFC3066 or its successor' with a link
>> to a reference to the "Language Identification" section of
>> the XML specification.
>> See
>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#langinfo-definition
>>
>> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't hear
>>  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -yves
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:09 PM
>> To: 'Felix Sasaki'
>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
>> [hidden email]
>> Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please
>>
>>
>> Personal comment:
>>
>> "Applying the language information data category to xml:lang attributes
>> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is
>> already defined in terms of [RFC 4646]."
>>
>> Strictly speaking xml is defined in terms of RFC 3066 or its successor.
>> It may be better to say "in terms of [BCP 47]" at this
>> location.  If not, you should add, or it's successor.  (Bear in mind
>> that RFC 4646bis is just around the corner, relatively
>> speaking.)
>>
>> RI
>>
>>
>
> --
> Addison Phillips
> Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.
>
> Internationalization is an architecture.
> It is not a feature.
>
>



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Re: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

Addison Phillips-2

That's fine with me. It just looked really weird to reference 4646 up
above in your text and then the familiar "3066 or successor" rubric
later (without mentioning the connection).

Addison

Felix Sasaki wrote:

> Hi Addison, all,
>
> We discussed this at the thread at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0136.html
> and came up with the following wording:
>
> "Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is the standard way to
> specify language information in XML. xml:lang is defined
> in terms of RFC3066 or its successor. (RFC4646 is the successor to RFC
> 3066.)"
> We would have a normative reference to RFC4646 and a non-normative one to
> RFC3066.
>
> Would that be fine with you?
>
> Felix
>
>> Really I think you ought to use the latest reference. RFC 4646 is
>> published and can be referenced. Pointing to the older, obsolete, RFC
>> may confuse people needlessly. Your current text says:
>>
>> --
>> Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
>> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined
>> in terms of RFC3066 or its successor.
>> --
>>
>> It might be better to append a note to that sentence:
>>
>> --
>> Applying the Language Information data category to xml:lang attributes
>> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is already defined
>> in terms of RFC3066 or its successor. (RFC4646 is the successor to RFC
>> 3066.)
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Addison
>>
>> Yves Savourel wrote:
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> The reference has been changed to 'RFC3066 or its successor' with a link
>>> to a reference to the "Language Identification" section of
>>> the XML specification.
>>> See
>>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#langinfo-definition
>>>
>>> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't hear
>>>  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -yves
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:09 PM
>>> To: 'Felix Sasaki'
>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please
>>>
>>>
>>> Personal comment:
>>>
>>> "Applying the language information data category to xml:lang attributes
>>> using global rules is not necessary, since xml:lang is
>>> already defined in terms of [RFC 4646]."
>>>
>>> Strictly speaking xml is defined in terms of RFC 3066 or its successor.
>>> It may be better to say "in terms of [BCP 47]" at this
>>> location.  If not, you should add, or it's successor.  (Bear in mind
>>> that RFC 4646bis is just around the corner, relatively
>>> speaking.)
>>>
>>> RI
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Addison Phillips
>> Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.
>>
>> Internationalization is an architecture.
>> It is not a feature.
>>
>>
>
>

--
Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature.

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RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please

r12a
In reply to this post by Yves Savourel-2

I'm satisfied with the text as of today's date.

Thanks,
RI


============
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yves Savourel [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 21 September 2006 16:37
> To: 'Richard Ishida'; 'Felix Sasaki'
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> The reference has been changed to 'RFC3066 or its successor'
> with a link to a reference to the "Language Identification"
> section of the XML specification.
> See
> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#l
> anginfo-definition
>
> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we
> don't hear  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>
> Cheers,
> -yves
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:09 PM
> To: 'Felix Sasaki'
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] xml:lang = language info, please
>
>
> Personal comment:
>
> "Applying the language information data category to xml:lang
> attributes using global rules is not necessary, since
> xml:lang is already defined in terms of [RFC 4646]."
>
> Strictly speaking xml is defined in terms of RFC 3066 or its
> successor.  It may be better to say "in terms of [BCP 47]" at
> this location.  If not, you should add, or it's successor.  
> (Bear in mind that RFC 4646bis is just around the corner, relatively
> speaking.)
>
> RI
>