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[Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples

r12a

Comment from the i18n review of:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/

Comment 8
At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
Editorial/substantive: E
Owner: RI

Location in reviewed document:
6.2.2

Comment:
The examples show the value of translate being set to 'yes', but since this is the default anyway, this is unnecessary and confusing. Please substitute examples that indicate where translation is not required.




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Re: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples

Felix Sasaki

Hello i18n core,

This is a reply on behalf of the i18n ITS working group. See also
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3487 for our discussion .

Thank you very much for your comment. We agreed to implement it. Please
have a look at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#translatability-implementation
.


Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't hear
 from you , we will assume this issue as closed.

Regards,

Felix

[hidden email] wrote:

> Comment from the i18n review of:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/
>
> Comment 8
> At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
> Editorial/substantive: E
> Owner: RI
>
> Location in reviewed document:
> 6.2.2
>
> Comment:
> The examples show the value of translate being set to 'yes', but since this is the default anyway, this is unnecessary and confusing. Please substitute examples that indicate where translation is not required.
>
>
>
>



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RE: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples

r12a

Personal response:  

In example 22 Translatability expressed globally, you are still applying a
yes setting to something that would be translatable anyway!  Just change yes
to no, and that example would look better, and make sense too - ie. don't
translate code elements.


I never understood why 'motherboard' in example 23 should not be translated.
How about using this (real) example:

<p>Click Resume Button on Status Display or  
    <hardpanelmsg its:translate="no">CONTINUE</quote>
    Button on printer panel
    </p>

RI




============
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11 September 2006 02:01
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples
>
> Hello i18n core,
>
> This is a reply on behalf of the i18n ITS working group. See also
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3487 for our
> discussion .
>
> Thank you very much for your comment. We agreed to implement
> it. Please have a look at
> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#t
> ranslatability-implementation
> .
>
>
> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we
> don't hear  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > Comment from the i18n review of:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/
> >
> > Comment 8
> > At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
> > Editorial/substantive: E
> > Owner: RI
> >
> > Location in reviewed document:
> > 6.2.2
> >
> > Comment:
> > The examples show the value of translate being set to
> 'yes', but since this is the default anyway, this is
> unnecessary and confusing. Please substitute examples that
> indicate where translation is not required.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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RE: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples

Yves Savourel-2

Hi Richard,

My bad: Update mistake.
Example 22 should be should be:
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/EX-translate-selector-1.xml
(We'll regenerate the HTML later)

Example 23:
Look better indeed.
Will update if no-one disagree.

-ys

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:50 AM
To: 'Felix Sasaki'
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples


Personal response:  

In example 22 Translatability expressed globally, you are still applying a yes setting to something that would be translatable
anyway!  Just change yes to no, and that example would look better, and make sense too - ie. don't translate code elements.


I never understood why 'motherboard' in example 23 should not be translated.
How about using this (real) example:

<p>Click Resume Button on Status Display or  
    <hardpanelmsg its:translate="no">CONTINUE</quote>
    Button on printer panel
    </p>

RI




============
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11 September 2006 02:01
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples
>
> Hello i18n core,
>
> This is a reply on behalf of the i18n ITS working group. See also
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3487 for our discussion
> .
>
> Thank you very much for your comment. We agreed to implement it.
> Please have a look at
> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#t
> ranslatability-implementation
> .
>
>
> Please let us know within 2 weeks if you are satisfied. If we don't
> hear  from you , we will assume this issue as closed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > Comment from the i18n review of:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060518/
> >
> > Comment 8
> > At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0606-its/
> > Editorial/substantive: E
> > Owner: RI
> >
> > Location in reviewed document:
> > 6.2.2
> >
> > Comment:
> > The examples show the value of translate being set to
> 'yes', but since this is the default anyway, this is unnecessary and
> confusing. Please substitute examples that indicate where translation
> is not required.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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RE: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples

Yves Savourel-2

Hi Richard,

- The example 22 has been fixed
- The example 23 has been changed

http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#translatability-implementation

Thanks
-yves


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:50 AM
To: 'Felix Sasaki'
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Comment on ITS WD] Invert translate examples


Personal response:  

In example 22 Translatability expressed globally, you are still applying a yes setting to something that would be translatable
anyway!  Just change yes to no, and that example would look better, and make sense too - ie. don't translate code elements.


I never understood why 'motherboard' in example 23 should not be translated.
How about using this (real) example:

<p>Click Resume Button on Status Display or  
    <hardpanelmsg its:translate="no">CONTINUE</quote>
    Button on printer panel
    </p>

RI