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Agenda Aug 4 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF - xsd:decimal and precision

David Booth-6
Main agenda this week continues where we left off last week:

  - Continuing on FHIR RDF:

     - xsd:decimal and precision

     - Side-by-side example of two FHIR RDF approaches (Tony Mallia)
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
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dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
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Agenda Aug 11 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF - ValueSet definition

David Booth-6
[Apologies for neglecting to send this out sooner!]

Main agenda this week continues where we left off last week:

  - Continuing on FHIR RDF:

     - Side-by-side example of two FHIR RDF approaches (Tony Mallia)
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
        ValueSet definition

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth


















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Agenda Aug 18 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF - ValueSet definition

David Booth-6
I will miss tomorrow's call -- I'm at the Smart Data conference -- but
hopefully Eric P and/or Paul Knapp can chair in my absence.

Main agenda this week continues where we left off last week:

  - Continuing on FHIR RDF:

     - Side-by-side example of two FHIR RDF approaches (Tony Mallia)
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
        ValueSet definition

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth




















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Agenda Aug 25 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF - ValueSet definition

David Booth-6
Main agenda this week continues where we left off last week:

  - Continuing on FHIR RDF:

     - Side-by-side example of two FHIR RDF approaches (Tony Mallia)
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
        ValueSet definition

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth






















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Fwd: Agenda Sep 1 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF - ValueSet definition

David Booth-6
Tony Mallia has written up a draft (which he will post) of how we can
model FHIR ValueSets, so our main agenda will be to review that
interactively.

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
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dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
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Agenda Sep 8 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF - More on ValueSets

David Booth-6
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Main agenda this week continues where we left off last week:

  - Continuing on FHIR RDF:

     - Tony has uploaded a new ValueSet summary:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth
























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Agenda Sep 15 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: Assessing progress & FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
Main agenda this week:

  - Assess progress.  Should we adjust our teleconference focus?  Spend
more teleconference time on projects other than FHIR RDF?
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_for_Semantic_Interoperability#Work_Projects

  - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth


























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Agenda Sep 22 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: Assessing progress & FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
Last week's call was canceled, so we'll continue where we left off.

Main agenda this week:

  - Assess progress.  Should we adjust our teleconference focus?  Spend
more teleconference time on projects other than FHIR RDF?
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_for_Semantic_Interoperability#Work_Projects

  - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
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Re: Agenda Sep 22 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: Assessing progress & FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
P.S. We should also discuss the upcoming Atlanta face-to-face meeting.

On 09/21/2015 10:16 PM, David Booth wrote:

> Last week's call was canceled, so we'll continue where we left off.
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> Main agenda this week:
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>   - Assess progress.  Should we adjust our teleconference focus?  Spend
> more teleconference time on projects other than FHIR RDF?
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_for_Semantic_Interoperability#Work_Projects
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>   - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf
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> NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
> Webex for teleconference:
> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
> Meeting password: 4257
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> Complete agenda page:
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
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> TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
> It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
> joining the teleconference line, as described below.
>
> TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
>     Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
>     Webex for teleconference:
>     https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>     dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>     Meeting password: 4257
>     IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls
>
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Agenda Sep 29 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: Planning for HL7 face-to-face meeting

David Booth-6
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Main agenda this week:

  - Report from last week's Clinical Translational Science Ontology
workshop in Charleston SC.

  - Planning agenda for HL7 face-to-face meeting.

  - Assess progress.  Should we adjust our teleconference focus?  Spend
more teleconference time on projects other than FHIR RDF?
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_for_Semantic_Interoperability#Work_Projects

  - (if time permits) FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

NOTE THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER CHANGE!
Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth






























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Agenda WED Oct 7 HL7/W3C RDF: HL7 face-to-face meeting - No Call Tue this wk

David Booth-6
Reminder: This week is the HL7 face-to-face meeting in Atlanta.  There
will be no teleconference Tuesday.  We will meet in Atlanta 9:00-10:30am
Eastern time Wednesday Oct 7.  We plan to have a teleconference bridge
set up during that meeting:

   Phone: +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number
   Access code: 646 952 680
   Meeting password: RDF
   Meeting link:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m74bcccd3ee23563c72e3e135fcd9f076

Agenda

  - Introduction and project overview

  - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:ValueSet_approach.pdf

Agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

Thanks!
David Booth
































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Agenda Oct 13 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
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Main agenda this week:

  - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

We seem to be close to getting ValueSets worked out.  Let's see if we
can get them nailed down this week.

Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth
































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Re: Agenda Oct 13 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
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On 10/12/2015 09:42 PM, David Booth wrote:
> Main agenda this week:
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>   - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

Sorry, bad link.  The right one (I think) is:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:ValueSet_approach.pdf

David Booth

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> Webex for teleconference:
> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
> Meeting password: 4257
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> Complete agenda page:
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
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> TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
> It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
> joining the teleconference line, as described below.
>
> TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
>     Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
>     Webex for teleconference:
>     https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>     dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>     Meeting password: 4257
>     IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls
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Agenda Oct 20 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
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Tony has made more progress on ValueSets.  Main agenda this week:

  - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:ValueSet_approach.pdf

Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
    Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
    Webex for teleconference:
    https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
    dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
    Meeting password: 4257
    IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth


































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Re: Agenda Oct 13 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

"Gerard Freriks (privé)"
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Dear David,

With interest I have attended two Telcon meetings.
And I have read some slide sets from presentations.

Some remarks I want to make:
- RDF (and related formats) could be used. But this is not enough.
- In my opinion it is impossible to map all standards (such as HL7, ISO 13606, SNOMED, …) fully and safely.
Partially it is possible, but there are too many partial overlapping/conflicting concepts and modeling styes used by these standards.
Cultural, linguistic, differences exist between communities.
- To many times we focus on ‘semantic interoperability’, only, meaning that a community using implementation guides is able to agree on the meaning and use of data fields in an exchange format.
But leave a substantial amount of the epistemology of data for the reader/user to infer. Many times quite a lot of implicit knowledge is needed for the safe, correct and full interpretation
That is why I coined the new term ‘Semantic Interpretability’, meaning that it must be possible to re-use data quite some time in the future or be processed by a rules engine, safely, correctly and fully.
The implication is that we must standardize all the meta-data needed to encompass this.
- It is clear to me that when we start to model data sets there are at least two styles we can use.
Do we model documents/entities that refer to processes or model processes with entities inside?
Do we create models and specialize them by changing the name/meaning of classes or specialize them using fixed patterns of classes by changing attribute data fields?
- In addition we have to decide about overlapping/competing ways of modeling: using the structure of classes or pre or post-coordinated codes. In short we have to agree how to deal with the boundary problem.
- Each standard makes it own implicit/explicit choices about all these topics, making the notion that RDF on its self will solve all problems questionable.

Gerard Freriks
+31 620347088

On Oct 13, 2015, at 3:42 AM, David Booth <[hidden email]> wrote:

Main agenda this week:

- FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

We seem to be close to getting ValueSets worked out.  Let's see if we can get them nailed down this week.

Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
  Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
  Webex for teleconference:
  https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
  dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
  Meeting password: 4257
  IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth
































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Agenda Nov 3 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
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Continuing again on ValueSets.  Main agenda this week:

  - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:ValueSet_approach.pdf

Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
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Re: Agenda Nov 3 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

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Webex reservation problem!   We're working it out right now.  Stand by .
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On 11/03/2015 12:58 AM, David Booth wrote:

> Continuing again on ValueSets.  Main agenda this week:
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>   - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:ValueSet_approach.pdf
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> Webex for teleconference:
> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
> Meeting password: 4257
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> Complete agenda page:
> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
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> TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
> It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
> joining the teleconference line, as described below.
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> TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
>     Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
>     Webex for teleconference:
>     https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>     dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>     Meeting password: 4257
>     IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls
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> Thanks!
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Re: Agenda Nov 3 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
Webex is working now.

thanks,
David

On 11/03/2015 11:03 AM, David Booth wrote:

> Webex reservation problem!   We're working it out right now.  Stand by .
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> On 11/03/2015 12:58 AM, David Booth wrote:
>> Continuing again on ValueSets.  Main agenda this week:
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>>   - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:ValueSet_approach.pdf
>>
>> Webex for teleconference:
>> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>> Meeting password: 4257
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>> Complete agenda page:
>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
>>
>> TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
>> It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
>> joining the teleconference line, as described below.
>>
>> TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
>>     Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
>>     Webex for teleconference:
>>
>> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>>     dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>>     Meeting password: 4257
>>     IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls
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Re: Agenda Oct 13 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

David Booth-6
In reply to this post by "Gerard Freriks (privé)"
Hi Gerard,

RDF on its own certainly will *not* create semantic interoperability of
healthcare information.  It is only a first step, which allows the
semantic to be expressed in a common language.  I agree that the whole
process of achieving semantic interoperability is much more involved.
The Yosemite Project describes a roadmap to get there:
http://yosemiteproject.org/

Thanks,
David Booth

On 10/31/2015 05:13 AM, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote:

> Dear David,
>
> With interest I have attended two Telcon meetings.
> And I have read some slide sets from presentations.
>
> Some remarks I want to make:
> - RDF (and related formats) could be used. But this is not enough.
> - In my opinion it is impossible to map all standards (such as HL7, ISO
> 13606, SNOMED, …) fully and safely.
> Partially it is possible, but there are too many partial
> overlapping/conflicting concepts and modeling styes used by these standards.
> Cultural, linguistic, differences exist between communities.
> - To many times we focus on ‘semantic interoperability’, only, meaning
> that a community using implementation guides is able to agree on the
> meaning and use of data fields in an exchange format.
> But leave a substantial amount of the epistemology of data for the
> reader/user to infer. Many times quite a lot of implicit knowledge is
> needed for the safe, correct and full interpretation
> That is why I coined the new term ‘Semantic Interpretability’, meaning
> that it must be possible to re-use data quite some time in the future or
> be processed by a rules engine, safely, correctly and fully.
> The implication is that we must standardize all the meta-data needed to
> encompass this.
> - It is clear to me that when we start to model data sets there are at
> least two styles we can use.
> Do we model documents/entities that refer to processes or model
> processes with entities inside?
> Do we create models and specialize them by changing the name/meaning of
> classes or specialize them using fixed patterns of classes by changing
> attribute data fields?
> - In addition we have to decide about overlapping/competing ways of
> modeling: using the structure of classes or pre or post-coordinated
> codes. In short we have to agree how to deal with the boundary problem.
> - Each standard makes it own implicit/explicit choices about all these
> topics, making the notion that RDF on its self will solve all problems
> questionable.
>
> Gerard Freriks
> +31 620347088
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 3:42 AM, David Booth <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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>> Main agenda this week:
>>
>> - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf
>>
>> We seem to be close to getting ValueSets worked out.  Let's see if we
>> can get them nailed down this week.
>>
>> Webex for teleconference:
>> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>> Meeting password: 4257
>>
>> Complete agenda page:
>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
>>
>> TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
>> It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
>> joining the teleconference line, as described below.
>>
>> TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
>>   Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
>>   Webex for teleconference:
>>   https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
>>   dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
>>   Meeting password: 4257
>>   IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls
>>
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>> David Booth
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Re: Agenda Oct 13 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

"Gerard Freriks (privé)"
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Dear David,

We seem to be in agreement.

Gerard

Gerard Freriks
+31 620347088

On 5 nov. 2015, at 06:32, David Booth <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Gerard,

RDF on its own certainly will *not* create semantic interoperability of
healthcare information.  It is only a first step, which allows the
semantic to be expressed in a common language.  I agree that the whole
process of achieving semantic interoperability is much more involved.
The Yosemite Project describes a roadmap to get there:
http://yosemiteproject.org/

Thanks,
David Booth

On 10/31/2015 05:13 AM, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote:
Dear David,

With interest I have attended two Telcon meetings.
And I have read some slide sets from presentations.

Some remarks I want to make:
- RDF (and related formats) could be used. But this is not enough.
- In my opinion it is impossible to map all standards (such as HL7, ISO
13606, SNOMED, …) fully and safely.
Partially it is possible, but there are too many partial
overlapping/conflicting concepts and modeling styes used by these standards.
Cultural, linguistic, differences exist between communities.
- To many times we focus on ‘semantic interoperability’, only, meaning
that a community using implementation guides is able to agree on the
meaning and use of data fields in an exchange format.
But leave a substantial amount of the epistemology of data for the
reader/user to infer. Many times quite a lot of implicit knowledge is
needed for the safe, correct and full interpretation
That is why I coined the new term ‘Semantic Interpretability’, meaning
that it must be possible to re-use data quite some time in the future or
be processed by a rules engine, safely, correctly and fully.
The implication is that we must standardize all the meta-data needed to
encompass this.
- It is clear to me that when we start to model data sets there are at
least two styles we can use.
Do we model documents/entities that refer to processes or model
processes with entities inside?
Do we create models and specialize them by changing the name/meaning of
classes or specialize them using fixed patterns of classes by changing
attribute data fields?
- In addition we have to decide about overlapping/competing ways of
modeling: using the structure of classes or pre or post-coordinated
codes. In short we have to agree how to deal with the boundary problem.
- Each standard makes it own implicit/explicit choices about all these
topics, making the notion that RDF on its self will solve all problems
questionable.

Gerard Freriks
+31 620347088
[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>

On Oct 13, 2015, at 3:42 AM, David Booth <[hidden email]
<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

Main agenda this week:

- FHIR RDF ValueSets:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf

We seem to be close to getting ValueSets worked out.  Let's see if we
can get them nailed down this week.

Webex for teleconference:
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
Meeting password: 4257

Complete agenda page:
http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda

TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS:
It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to
joining the teleconference line, as described below.

TELECONFERENCE DETAILS:
 Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone
 Webex for teleconference:
 https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62
 dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110
 Meeting password: 4257
 IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls

Thanks!
David Booth
































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